REUBEN played by Clyde Tull
“I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how wonderful and unique my experience was working with Kevin and Zak on the movie, “White Knuckles”. Unlike the other work I’ve done in my 15 years of professional acting, I was able to tell my part of the story exactly the way I wanted to.” Clyde Tull
A seasoned actor and gifted artist named Clyde Tull plays the retired gentleman/stranger Reuben that appears late in White Knuckles – a film by sabi. Julie encounters Reuben in the hospital sequence in the third chapter of the film. Originally, the character of Reuben was written into different scenes and was part of circumstances that were to affect both Julie and William’s story. But as the last act of the film was crafted on set organically (as the story was unfolding) the written concepts of Reuben were changed by the director for what was happening in the moment / on set with Clyde – and what was necessary for Julie in the final sequences. Both Clyde and the director Kevin Shah worked together to create an entirely new character (conceptually) for Reuben– one that has resonates with audiences in ways neither could have predicted.
The words of Clyde Tull (on the process of White Knuckles):
“I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how wonderful and unique my experience was working with Kevin and Zak on the movie, “White Knuckles”. Unlike the other work I’ve done in my 15 years of professional acting, I was able to tell my part of the story exactly the way I wanted to. This was the first time I did not have to memorize someone else’s words and attempt to make them my own. My dialogue with my scene partner, the wonderful actor Martie Ashworth, was created in the moment, based on a story outline and clear objectives from our director, Kevin. During the shooting, I noticed that I was just as committed to facilitating the director’s intent as I always was, but I was not burdened with having to remember and recite lines.
For me, this process was both liberating and joyful, as it allowed me to follow my impulses and make the points I wanted to make in the order I wanted to make them. With neither of us knowing exactly what the other one would say or do, Martie and I interacted more authentically, responding naturally to the ebb and flow of the scene. It felt more like a real conversation than anything I’ve ever done. I also remember the speed and efficiency of the process. As I recall, we had two cameras, one on each of us. After our discussion with Kevin, we shot one long take and a couple of brief close-up/retakes, and it was done. Very efficient use of time.
I really enjoyed that afternoon of shooting, and every time I have a script to learn, I think about it. I hope other directors and producers will use this process in creating their projects.” - Clyde Tull
The director asked Clyde to contribute some thoughts about what didn’t work / or could potentially be a pitfall with such a process, in addition to what is detailed above. Clyde, always responsive with insight – offered the following:
“Kevin, as I considered negative thoughts about the process, I could only came up with one. It’s not a negative thought about my own experience, but rather a negative thought about the process, a potential problem perhaps. It is this: directors and producers who are brave enough to use this process need to be careful to pick actors who are truly comfortable with it. There are fine actors who, due to their training and their personality, are only comfortable with a script. In other words, not all actors can improv well. They may freeze up or go way “off message” and thereby waste a lot of valuable time. Actors doing this work need to really know the story they are telling and be willing to tell it in their own words.”
Sabi wishes to thank Clyde Tull for his thoughts, words, and contributions to White Knuckles. The character of Reuben created through an interdependent process of collaboration was a hit at the cast and crew screening of the film. The entire family of White Knuckles wants to thank you sincerely for all of your artistic work and sabi looks forward to working with you again.
Actor’s POV: A Blog Post From Mark Ridley
I would like to share a blog post from Mark Ridley who played Greg in Moments:
Hello, all you guys,
Yes it’s Mark Ridley, sadly I’m so bad on the computer and don’t know how to blog yet. So my words will be fed to you. I want to thank the wonders of three young men, Dan, Josh, and Erik, and as well Kevin. I first met them when they made a film called Take 2, starring me. When I saw the finished product, I had tears in my eyes. I said to myself, these are some bad boys. It was then that knew that these young men are going to be a great team and do some great things, and soon.
They saw something in me and gave me another chance to work with them, this time in the film Moments, with my son Malcolm. I never worked so hard as an actor, but boy I felt that we achieved some amazing footage. I can’t wait to see just how this creative team has put this together. If Sabi Pictures, or even the dust mites ask me to do another film with all my friends, count me in.
Stay tuned for this film, as will I.
Mark.

Mark Ridley and J Erik Reese taking a break from the Moments set to discuss the next scene.
An Interdependent Film
As we come closer to our private preview cast and crew screening, I’d like to share with you some thoughts on the concept of INTERDEPENDENT FILMMAKING, and specifically how it applies to White Knuckles.
White Knuckles was born out of a deep desire to explore a story with a group of artists through the collaborative medium of film – and to explore it as much as possible while the story is happening – while it’s on its feet in production – while the characters fully inhabit the actors. The means of accomplishing this would be a team of artists that could invest themselves personally in the shared vision of the project, and could work as a unified whole that could shift, adapt and adjust whenever the story changed based on the flexible nature of capturing dramatic improvisation. This could only be accomplished by maintaining a collective atmosphere of safety and trust with the crew, filmmakers and the cast. An atmosphere where the actors could feel like they can fully explore their characters without any judgments or self-direction. A creative space where the actors can go deeper in the improvisational present moment, and the filmmakers and the crew can support and guide them along. A truly interdependent process where there are no idle hands on set – a place where everyone is involved, and each member on the production is truly critical.
With White Knuckles, we wanted to see what would happen if we wrote a script and then took it away at some point during production – when the film begins to breathe on its own. We wanted to see “what happens with the characters” and we wanted to see “where will the story go?” It was in a large part about curiousity. Though we had a screenplay that would be great to shoot – we thought that perhaps guiding the improvisation initially, we could fully let go later and produce real surprises and true-to-life dialogue and moments that could not have otherwise been planned. To do this in a drama that goes to the places White Knuckles does – it took the safety net of the rest of the cast and crew to make this work. Really, it took each other – and every individual working together as a unified whole to make this real “Interdependent” film happen.
There is a point in every soulful, artful film production where the actors seem to fully inhabit the characters, sooner or later. On set, sometimes this happens early – other times certain key aspects of the character emerge later depending on the circumstance. But ultimately – there is a collaborative search for truth that makes ‘a film by Sabi Pictures’ – and if the film is honest (as I believe White Knuckles is) than perhaps it will be blessed to find its audience.
It is a rare group of talented filmmakers that converged to create White Knuckles. And what we have in this film, is in my humble opinion, a true example of interdependent filmmaking. As filmmakers – we all simply wanted to be able to let go of pages and pre-conceived notions and rather listen very closely to what comes out of (and what comes from within the soul) of the character. We wanted to hear an authentic voice, and wanted to see the story that was the deeper, more meaningful, more real version (than the duplication of the intentions on the page). We want to see the sum that is greater than it’s parts – a piece of real art emerging from our collective creative contributions together.
This is ultimately the collective desire of a collaborative group of artists working on an Interdependent Film. Interdependent Filmmaking is the kind of filmmaking where one uses “us” and “we” and “our” more often than they use “I” when describing the process of making that film. We think that White Knuckles is unique because of the interdependent nature of the shoot. The WK website’s “Creative” section details examples of how many of us together collaborated on this film, and there will also be some behind the scenes posted to get a look at the faces that made it happen.
As with every interdependent film, there are so many hands on the work that it is hard to summarize or describe the process of each member that took part – but each person’s contribution made the film possible. And though the credits on the film will generally reveal every person’s name that contributed – there are so many more roles that were filled by each member than can possibly be listed.
Calling White Knuckles and interdependent film is a way to say Thank You – to acknowledge that the film could not be possible without the entire interwoven web of creative contributions, a network of interdependent people, that all get behind one idea. It’s a beautiful thing when it works, and it is the most fulfilling kind of filmmaking. And Interdependent Filmmaking is the evolution of the art form, in my humble opinion. I’m honored to have been a part of this process at Sabi Pictures. Sure it is an ever-changing and an ever-evolving process with each new story – but the unique way of making each film bears one thing in common between everything we’ve made: there is simply no room and no time for inflated egos when a group of artists want to venture into the great unknown of making a film together. There is only room to learn from one another, for true collaboration, for support of each other under any circumstance, and for the collective desire to see the story through to the end no matter what. We had a very talented group of individuals that came together to bring you the interdependent film White Knuckles – as well as Heart of Now. We guided the stories to the end rather than pushed them, and what resulted from the process thus far may move you, and perhaps even surprise you.
Kevin K. Shah
Director
A NEW letter from Sue Gaetzman
August 26, 2008
Dearest Kevin,
Am I too late to send my thoughts on the movie? Can you ever forgive me? You are always on my mind and in my heart, it’s just that sometimes I physically don’t have it together. But I am doing much better. I seem to have more energy in the evenings. Mornings are challenging. But it is one of my goals to improve on that. My life has changed in so many ways since hearing of the cancer, I can’t begin to tell you, but I’m sure you can imagine. It seems everything has changed. So, such is life…it’s full of change. We just have to make the best of it and believe that everything is good.
I miss everyone in the cast and crew of your fabulous film. Even if I am too late to have this printed, let me say a few things
just so you know.
I will speak in the 3rd person in case you have time to use it.
“Working with Kevin Shah was a gift from the heavens. I have acted in my share of films and television so I can honestly say that starting with Kevin the director, and including the entire cast and hard-working, diligent crew — my experience was comparable to the best of the best. And I think it is evident when you see the end product. The movie reeks of professionalism with every take. I particularly loved the style in which Kevin chose to direct the actors–as we improvised while loosely staying with the script. It made for a very stimulating and unpredictable exercise and one in which I would love to experience again. I thought the beauty of the film was in it’s honestly displayed in every moment. I found myself mesmerized by these peoples’ lives, feeling at times, a sparkle in my eyes and a smile, and at other times, great sadness. I also enjoyed the music and shots of nature’s scenery, which added mood and texture. It takes a sensitive director to allow that to happen and a crew that was in every way, a part of the transformation. Kudos to Kevin for manning the ship on the ocean from where so many treasures were found.”
Please keep in touch, Kevin, and I promise to do the same, especially since I’m back online. When you get a chance, I’d love to hear from you.
You’re the best.
All my love,
SUE GAETZMAN
Sue Gaetzman plays Dora in the film, Julie’s best friend and the catalyst for the idea that Julie gets in her mind on how she might be able to change her situation with her husband William. It’s Dora’s dark humor that leads Julie down an unexpected path that sets off the chain of events of the rest of the film. When Julie sees how happy Dora is since her husband passed away, she can’t help but wonder what her life might like if William suddenly disappeared. Dora is a multi-layered character, on one hand she enjoys her new found freedom, on the other hand – her experience with her husband’s passing has brought a price. But in her joyful, sincere way – Dora is there for Julie throughout the film, and we get a glimpse into her deepest secret before the end.
Sue Gaetzman played Dora with honesty and courage, she brought to this character layers upon layers, and made her come to life on screen in the most realistic way. Sue and I discussed creating a character that would be likeable despite her dark humor, a woman that clearly is happy with her new life, and wants to share that joy with her best friend whom she sees is stuck. Sue and I talked about how Dora couldn’t simply be a “device” in this film – that although she is a catalyst, she is a human being with her own feature length story – and we wanted to treat her this way, we wanted to feel the presence of Dora in her absence – we wanted the audience and Julie to wake up to possibilities whenever she appeared on screen.
We also talked about drawing from personal experience if possible and if appropriate, and we discussed improvising the lines at length before we began shooting, including incorporating personal feelings of what it’s like to lose a loved one into the picture. Sue’s naturally warm and flirtatious personality endeared the entire cast and crew to her – and her little quirks come out in the most unique way in her portrayal of Dora. To say she’s created a spitfire of a character would be an injustice. Sue Gaetzman’s Dora is a forest fire, and ignites the screen with every scene she’s in.
Our thoughts, prayers and best wishes for continued healing is with you Sue from myself and everyone here at Sabi. Godspeed a full recovery (and a screening of our film which we will attend together).
Finding the Characters and Beginning Act One

photo by Jamie Cobb
Yesterday, we met once again to discuss Wanderlust. And we had a very productive meeting that resulted in a very good idea of who these characters (Sam & Will) are and why they need to go on this trip.
Thematically, each character is grappling with their ability and/or willingness to interact with the world around them. Sam has a longing to connect with people on the level that her friends do so effortlessly. Using social networks like Facebook or MySpace is the closest she’s been able to come and she really thrives online. But offline, in the real world, there is a barrier she just cannot push beyond. Will on the other hand is at a crossroads in his life. Socializing and friendships have not been a struggle for him, but recently he finds himself growing increasingly distanced from these people and actively seeks to withdraw from everything and leave town.
The reasons for the emotional place these characters find themselves in, definitely point back to their youth in some small way, but the current state of their life, while becoming clearer, is still to be defined. We know they were childhood friends and that young Sam was an only child. And we know they reconnect in the manner so many of us have rediscovered old friends, through a social network. And finally, we know they share a longing to drive back to their hometown, Sacramento, although for reasons unique to each character.
Today, Kevin and I started outlining Act One of the story, making notations of ideas for the rest of the story and the ending in particular. Next week, we will be meeting with Marion Kerr and John T. Woods individually and possibly paired with another actor to explore their present lives in a rehearsal/improv scenario.
An Exchange
The genesis of this project recently took hold during the following email exchange…
On Sun, 8/17/08, Zak Forsman wrote:
hey there jw,
i’d very much like to look at Old Joy as a template for our next feature… you, me, marion and jamie. i just found out canon is releasing a new small camera OCT 1ST that records to an INTERNAL 120 gb hard drive. HD slightly better looking than the camera we shot IFHY on and at the highest quality setting, it will hold 11 hours of footage. that means we can shoot for two days before offloading to a laptop if we want to. pretty cool. i’ll get my 35mm adapters fixed so we have a back up and we are good to go! seivers will be a resource for sound gear. we’d need a charted course, a rented SUV for gear, food and luggage and then the “prop car” which will likely be one of our own — maybe jamie’s neon.
i like to draw inspiration from immediate influences because i believe (bare with me) a certain synchronicity exists in life so if we’re looking at Old joy and that damn trapeze swinger song by iron and wine for inspiration, i’d be very happy. and i don’t mean taking specific elements, just letting their melancholy vibe be the soil our new film takes root in. your myspace page says something about liking sad bastard music. well, let’s make a sad bastard motion picture. sad and beautiful, but still hopeful… even if its just a glimmer.
zak
On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:06 AM, John T. Woods wrote:
making the feature with the spirit of old joy and trapeze swinger swimming in our minds, i’m definitely on board, from beginning to end, in all it’s minimalist glory.
On Sun, 8/17/08, Zak Forsman wrote:
awesome. seeing as how this project will likely involve “travel” (seeking and searching in the subtext) and “love” in the (john cassavetes sense of the word). i’m appropriating the title from another story of mine and putting it on this. at least as a working title for now.
“WANDERLUST”
i would like to instill the “mike leigh” approach on this, meaning you marion and I meet regularly to talk character thru conversation and trying some improv to get them on their feet. then i’ll take everything we’ve learned about them and write the screenplay. although i suspect it will not be a conventional screenplay, but a document unique to our needs. we could videotape those improv meetings and make podcasts to build an audience even before we shoot it.
just thinking out loud. would like to do some night time guerrilla shoots.
zak
On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:28 AM, John T. Woods wrote:
sounds like a plan. let’s keep it moving. visual of the poster is great inspiration.
i feel like it would be cool if the relationship of the two characters is be undefined, at least in that we don’t say it out right (ie “look… you’re my wife/girlfriend… and i love you). i feel like it’s expected to be that. a couple going through a rough time. maybe it can be something different. maybe the drama can come from a less conventional place when we are playing thru the story. don’t know, but it’s exciting to think about.
On Sun, 8/17/08, Zak Forsman wrote:
yeah, you know i was thinking just before i fell asleep last night that maybe (we as the filmmakers know the backstory) but the audience is simply presented two characters, almost like blank slates with the most minimal understanding of who they are. and its their interaction thru the story events that define who they are. and still, not by revealing backstory, but by defining them as characters by their emotional, intellectual and spiritual choices. funny how much we’re thinking alike. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!
zak
On Aug 17, 2008, at 12:31 PM, John T. Woods wrote:
yes, we both agree, we both are in the same mindset, good. awesome.
i guess i like the idea of the audience being presented with these two characters, and half the audience immediately assuming they are romantically linked, but then maybe thinking outside the norms as the film progresses. i mean really, can’t a guy and a girl travel together and not be tied together romantically? i’ve never really seen a relationship like that portrayed authentically on screen, i mean authentically, not when harry met sally, or some action movie where a girl is “part of a badass squad”. just a guy and a girl, whatever their backstory, whatever their relationship. i think the idea of it would cause people to, force people to actually, think outside of social mores and look a little deeper.
sounds good about tonight, lets chat later, i’m headed out.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 at 1:04 PM Zak Forsman wrote:
i’ve cc:’d jamie and marion on this. i’m going to open a web site for this, where we can document the making and development of this. do you mind if i re-print excerpts from these emails in an article about the genesis of the project?
see you later.
zak
On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Marion Kerr wrote:
You guys have been busy! And I likes it! I think John’s idea about a male/female relationship that’s not romantic is really interesting. I grew up having a lot of male friends, sometimes more than female friends and I would sometimes get a lot of crap for it. Like, “oh they just like you, so that’s why you guys hang out” and it always used to piss me off that I had to defend a guy and a girl who perhaps are both single as just being friends because…they actually like each other as friends. People have a tough time with that sometimes. Anyway, that’s my two cents.
-Marion


